What if the organist is their regular organist and it is technically his recital, and they decide to say an opening prayer. Maybe even include a religious piece of music or two in the recital? Would that ultimately have any bearing? I didn't feel comfortable pushing the questions to these points with my friend, as I knew they couldn't come anyway due to distance.
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Conversation with my JW friend...would like feedback regarding topic.
by the pharmer inthis is a conversation i had via i.m.
with my jw friend.
the topic was brought up because of a trumpet and organ recital i was rehearsing for, and the performance was going to be in a lutheran church (since we were using their nice pipe organ).
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Conversation with my JW friend...would like feedback regarding topic.
by the pharmer inthis is a conversation i had via i.m.
with my jw friend.
the topic was brought up because of a trumpet and organ recital i was rehearsing for, and the performance was going to be in a lutheran church (since we were using their nice pipe organ).
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This is a conversation I had via I.M. with my JW friend. The topic was brought up because of a trumpet and organ recital I was rehearsing for, and the performance was going to be in a Lutheran Church (since we were using their nice pipe organ).
I guess I would like some feedback as to whether or not this JW's answer was an accurate and typical JW answer. I kind of felt like I had to 'pry' a bit just to get the information I did get.
Thanks for any replies.
Me:
I'll be performing in a recital
If you had the opportunity (i.e. you were close enough), do you think you actually would come to hear it?
JW:
Of course!
Me:
Would the fact that it's in a church be an issue?
JW:
lol, no
Me:
Sorry, I know that sounded silly
JW:
No. its a valid question. just caught me off gaurd.
Me:
I thought maybe you would have to go before a judicial committee for stepping foot in a Lutheran church.
JW:
LOL!!
noooooo
Me:
You positive?
You've looked into that?
JW:
ughh.. are you serious?
Me:
Yes...I thought about that at last wednesday's rehearsal
Have you seriously looked into it? Are you 100% certain (no offense, just really made me wonder if it could be an issue)
JW:
Attending another church’s spiritual service is different from going to an event that is located in a church, i believe. dont you?
Me:
I personally don't see why anyone should have any say as to what they go to observe, regardless of the event. ...but I'm sure one could argue that it is a spiritual service in a sense...
It all depends on how those that make the rules define them, right?
So where do they draw the line? I guess that is the question in my mind.
Which then leads to the question, if I decided to become a member of that organization, what would they require me to give up in terms of playing in that church?
Any idea? Have you looked into anything related to this topic?
JW:
I was always told that anything that isn’t clear cut in the bible is a matter of conscience. Everyone will carry their own load after all. There are some things that are clear and definitive, other things not so much. In those instances we have to make our decisions.
Thanks!
Pharmer
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Is this not an easy question?
by the pharmer ini wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.
if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.
who is correct)?
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To djeggnog (and anyone else who believes he was correct on his music theory), let me clear it up for you. (I believe the way in which he handles himself on this matter provides a certain amount of evidence and might be relevant to other areas as well.)
Minor keys are not as straight forward as major keys, because there are 3 types of minor scales -- natural, harmonic, and melodic. Because minor keys have these three variations, when speaking of the key of A-minor, all three types must be considered. Djeggnog made an elementary error when he said "There are no sharps in the A-minor scale."
The problem is, you can't really say THE A-minor scale because there isn't only one A-minor scale, there arethree!
So, just how many sharps are there in "THE" A-minor scale? (remember, there isn't a "THE A-minor scale", there are "three A-minor scales)
A simple yet complete and correct Answer: Up to 2 sharps!
Simple explanation:
--Melodic A-minor has 2 sharps (F# and G# -- typically used when ascending)
--Harmonic A-minor has 1 sharp (G#)
--Natural A-minor has zero sharps
So much for the comment "There are no sharps in the A-minor scale." On a music theory test, djeggnog, that answer would be incorrect!
Why do I bother mentioning all this?
Because -- Djeggnog has not admitted his error, even when it has been proven and asked of him directly. This goes completely against the idea of being honest enough to admit mistakes.
Not only did he completely miss my point with my initial example in my post #41, which was that JWs were singing/playing in a minor key when the composer had written it in a major key, but he got off on a tangent discussing music theory -- a topic of which he tried to present himself as a competent authority figure -- and ever since, I've been having to correct his mistakes along the way. I honestly wanted to give him a chance at admitting his errors in areas that weren't a matter of opinion, but were in fact, FACTS. I tried to quickly get his mistakes corrected and acknowledged, and put him back on track to the real issues, but I was unable to succeed.
Oh well, thank you everyone for your patience and kindness in putting up with me in all of this!
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...Were Trump`s comments about Obama Racist?...
by OUTLAW inmore backlash: david letterman considers banning trump for his racist comments.
by colby hall | 8:16 am, april 29th, 2011 video .
david letterman and his guest dr. phil discussed donald trumps recent allegations that barack obama was.
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(djeggnog, you have a 1 day old PM from me...thanks)
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The resurrection of Jesus and others in his day.
by jam inmatt.27;51-53. behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two,.
from top to bottom, and the earth shook, and the rocks were split;.
the tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints was.
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STANDARDS -- Jehovah's Witnesses are honest enough to admit when we were wrong (djeggnog)
by the pharmer inmy finale (?).
although i realize djeggnog was making a generalization in the quote i put in the topic heading, i would hope when we make statements like these, that we would hold ourselves individually to the same standards were promoting.
the evidence that was displayed to me in my easy question thread has proven to be otherwise.. i understand admitting error can be difficult and humblingbeen there, done that (continually).. but i want to make sure that everyone who has read djeggnogs replies to me, is aware that i have given him every opportunity to admit and correct himself where i have shown him to be wrong with facts whether on topic or off topic (and im not talking about opinions and interpretations those are another matter altogether), and that i have given him plenty of opportunity to reconcile his conflicting statements.
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My finale (?)
Although I realize djeggnog was making a generalization in the quote I put in the topic heading, I would hope when we make statements like these, that we would hold ourselves individually to the same standards we’re promoting. The evidence that was displayed to me in my easy question thread has proven to be otherwise.
I understand admitting error can be difficult and humbling—been there, done that (continually).
But I want to make sure that everyone who has read djeggnog’s replies to me, is aware that I have given him every opportunity to admit and correct himself where I have shown him to be wrong with facts – whether on topic or off topic (and I’m not talking about opinions and interpretations – those are another matter altogether), and that I have given him plenty of opportunity to reconcile his conflicting statements. This current thread is as much of an fyi for other readers of that conversation(s) as it is my last invitation to djeggnog, to show how/if he will apply the same standards to himself as he promotes.
My concluding comments to him on that thread were:
Not only have you been unable to reconcile your original conflicting statements (or been unable to show exactly how and why they don’t conflict), but you also have not addressed many of your mistakes or misinformation – some of which I have brought to your attention.
I read comments from you in response to other people, where you tell them things like, “…perhaps you could benefit yourself by just going to a public library and doing a bit of reading up on this subject.”
Yet, at the same time you boldly make statements and claims full of misinformation to me without addressing them once they’ve been pointed out.
It doesn’t take much reading up on the subject you so confidently made claims about to me, to realize just how incomplete and incorrect your statements are. For example, you stated, “…there are no sharps in the A-minor scale.” If you assume that there is only one type of minor scale out there (natural minor), then in your mind you would think you are correct, but in reality you are incomplete. All I would have to do to show how incorrect your statement is, would be to ask you in terms of A-minor, “how many sharps are in the harmonic minor scale” or “how many sharps are in the melodic minor when ascending?” I could take it a step further and ask you what the difference is between an ascending A-melodic minor and the A-Major scale.
Djeggnog,
Please reconcile your original conflicting statements and address your additional mistakes/misinformation.
Thanks,
Pharmer
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Distinguishing Characteristic? (Just thinking out loud)
by the pharmer inalthough this is coming from a recent post on another thread by an individual who claims to be a jw, it is something that i have heard expressed by other jws.
it is a supposed distinguishing jw characteristic:.
...and while they have not always gotten it right the first time, one of the things that distinguish them from other christian denominations is the fact that they are willing to abandon beliefs when they come to realize that such beliefs are premised on wrong conclusions.. while other christian denominations seem unwilling to adjust their theological viewpoints, even when they are presented with clear evidence demonstrating flaws in what are essentially the underpinnings of their theological beliefs, because jehovah's witnesses embrace bible truth, we, unlike what other christian denominations do, distinguish ourselves by championing bible truth over what we may have thought at one time to have been bible truth.
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I appreciate all the thoughts and comments -- thanks!
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Distinguishing Characteristic? (Just thinking out loud)
by the pharmer inalthough this is coming from a recent post on another thread by an individual who claims to be a jw, it is something that i have heard expressed by other jws.
it is a supposed distinguishing jw characteristic:.
...and while they have not always gotten it right the first time, one of the things that distinguish them from other christian denominations is the fact that they are willing to abandon beliefs when they come to realize that such beliefs are premised on wrong conclusions.. while other christian denominations seem unwilling to adjust their theological viewpoints, even when they are presented with clear evidence demonstrating flaws in what are essentially the underpinnings of their theological beliefs, because jehovah's witnesses embrace bible truth, we, unlike what other christian denominations do, distinguish ourselves by championing bible truth over what we may have thought at one time to have been bible truth.
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Although this is coming from a recent post on another thread by an individual who claims to be a JW, it is something that I have heard expressed by other JWs.
It is a supposed distinguishing JW characteristic:
…and while they have not always gotten it right the first time, one of the things that distinguish them from other Christian denominations is the fact that they are willing to abandon beliefs when they come to realize that such beliefs are premised on wrong conclusions .
While other Christian denominations seem unwilling to adjust their theological viewpoints, even when they are presented with clear evidence demonstrating flaws in what are essentially the underpinnings of their theological beliefs , because Jehovah's Witnesses embrace Bible truth, we, unlike what other Christian denominations do, distinguish ourselves by championing Bible truth over what we may have thought at one time to have been Bible truth. IOW, Jehovah's Witnesses are honest enough to admit when we were wrong in the early-1900s, in the 1930s, in the 1960s, in the 1990s, and today, and you know what? Our God knows at all times who it is here on earth that is doing their best to do His will, even when He knows we've gotten something wrong .
It appears to me that if the following thoughts are true, then the above highlighted comments could not be distinguishing anything at all as it claims.
I wonder if it has ever been demonstrated where JWs have not always abandoned their beliefs as soon as they come to realize that such beliefs are premised on wrong conclusions.
I wonder if it has ever been demonstrated where JWs seem unwilling to adjust their theological viewpoints, even when they are presented with clear evidence demonstrating flaws in what are essentially the underpinnings of their theological beliefs.
I wonder if has ever been demonstrated where other denominations admit they were wrong in a similar fashion as this person claims the JW denomination does.
Another thought:
I wonder if the statement, Our God knows at all times who it is here on earth that is doing their best to do His will, even when He knows we’ve gotten something wrong, is better applied to every persons as individuals vs. an exclusive denomination.
Just thinking out loud,
Pharmer
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Is this not an easy question?
by the pharmer ini wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.
if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.
who is correct)?
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Djeggnog,
Not only have you been unable to reconcile your original conflicting statements (or been unable to show exactly how and why they don’t conflict), but you also have not addressed many of your mistakes or misinformation – some of which I have brought to your attention.
I read comments from you in response to other people, where you tell them things like, “…perhaps you could benefit yourself by just going to a public library and doing a bit of reading up on this subject.”
Yet, at the same time you boldly make statements and claims full of misinformation to me without addressing them once they’ve been pointed out.
It doesn’t take much reading up on the subject you so confidently made claims about to me, to realize just how incomplete and incorrect your statements are. For example, you stated, “…there are no sharps in the A-minor scale.” If you assume that there is only one type of minor scale out there (natural minor), then in your mind you would think you are correct, but in reality you are incomplete. All I would have to do to show how incorrect your statement is, would be to ask you in terms of A-minor, “how many sharps are in the harmonic minor scale” or “how many sharps are in the melodic minor when ascending?” I could take it a step further and ask you what the difference is between an ascending A-melodic minor and the A-Major scale.
Djeggnog,
Please reconcile your original conflicting statements and address your additional mistakes/misinformation.
Thanks,
Pharmer
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"All generalizations are false, including this one."
by Mr. Falcon inthe above mark twain quote made me think about some of the comments i heard this weekend during the watchtower study.
several commentors alluded to the seeming ignorance of "wordly" people as regards bible knowledge.
comments such as "people who go to churches don't know the bible like we do, so they may go to church and afterwards say that was a very good sermon.
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